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Vahn Roi · Jun 18, 2006, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

You want unparralleled damage dealing? Go Warrior.

You must be speaking in terms of endurance, because a well built Assassin can deal for more damage than a warrior in the same time frame.

LightningHell · Jun 18, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

You must be speaking in terms of endurance, because a well built Assassin can deal for more damage than a warrior in the same time frame.

I should clarify. If you want to go play the highest DPS machine, go Warrior.

Eragon Dragonslayer · Jun 19, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

You want unparralleled damage dealing? Go Warrior.

im talking bout what 2nd prof would be better for my rit so it could cause alot of dmg and i have a uber 1337 war

captainccc · Jun 19, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Assassins are the true challenge, even more so than Mesmers

Just because more ignorant ppl dont know how to use assassins doesnt mean its more of a challenge. Seriously...you tele, you attack, you move behind the monks

Mesmer are a challenge to anyone that wants to make them Uber

Yep im on your side Avarre

/Edit: I like Rt/N the best for some mixed in hexes ^_~

LightningHell · Jun 19, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18

I would play Rt/Me if I would ever buy Factions.

Or Rt/E.

JoeKnowMo · Jun 19, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Request permission to personally attack JoKnowMo and Eragon Dragonslayer while defending the Mesmer class.

You don't deal damage as a Mesmer? GO OFF TARGET AND KILL YOUR OWN CRAP. Even a Mesmer with half a minute of experience would know that.

And "They don't deal enough damage"? Yeah, what Minus Sign said. Cast three backfires (with Echo/Arcane Echo) and say that with a straight face.

No, it's just you don't spam Backfire on a focused Warrior mob, unlike some Mesmers who, IMHO, should be enrolled in Wammo Academy.

Permission granted only if you can provide a Mesmer build that can replace a SS or MM necro in a 4 or 5 man SF farm. Until then I'll just use Smite Noob on your weak "personal attacks."

In my post I asked for a high damage build for small group farming for the Mes. If you're gonna talk smack, back it up. 3 backfires with Archane Echo and Echo is lame on a mob of 15 monsters.

Eragon Dragonslayer · Jun 19, 2006, 03:28 AM // 03:28

^^ oo burn...yet the mesmers own caster type profs..

LightningHell · Jun 19, 2006, 06:40 AM // 06:40

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Originally Posted by Eragon Dragonslayer

^^ oo burn...yet the mesmers own caster type profs..

Incorrect; they specialize. They can own both caster and melee, but it's generally better to play as one.

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Permission granted only if you can provide a Mesmer build that can replace a SS or MM necro in a 4 or 5 man SF farm. Until then I'll just use Smite Noob on your weak "personal attacks."

How about solo UW? That's been proven, over and over again.

The Mesmer can solo the most of UW, out of all the classes.

JoeKnowMo · Jun 19, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

How about solo UW? That's been proven, over and over again.

The Mesmer can solo the most of UW, out of all the classes.

No disagreement with that

However, the issue is whether they can run with a PvE team and do high amounts of dmg relative to an Ele or Necro or even a Rit.

No disrespect to the Mes class. It's the most interesting of the classes, I find. However, GW PvE (in general) is set up to reward the AoE dmg dealers, the dmg absorbers/limiters, and the healers the most. Hence most teams just look for these builds, resulting in discrimination against the 'Sin and the Mes.

Even when going up against 3 healers (Dredge Gardeners), the typical cookie cutter team can outdamage their healing and save them for last if needed. It's just the way that PvE has been made by Anet.

More than anything, Anet needs to change the way that PvE works so that Mesmers and 'Sins get their due. Maybe have some PvE regions where the mobs play like humans - they all use rez sig, run away from AoE dmg, and bring PvP builds. If there were mobs with touch rangers and boon prot monks, teams would be crying for mesmers the way they cry for monks now.

Let's hope it happens.

LightningHell · Jun 19, 2006, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

No disagreement with that

However, the issue is whether they can run with a PvE team and do high amounts of dmg relative to an Ele or Necro or even a Rit.

No disrespect to the Mes class. It's the most interesting of the classes, I find. However, GW PvE (in general) is set up to reward the AoE dmg dealers, the dmg absorbers/limiters, and the healers the most. Hence most teams just look for these builds, resulting in discrimination against the 'Sin and the Mes.

Even when going up against 3 healers (Dredge Gardeners), the typical cookie cutter team can outdamage their healing and save them for last if needed. It's just the way that PvE has been made by Anet.

More than anything, Anet needs to change the way that PvE works so that Mesmers and 'Sins get their due. Maybe have some PvE regions where the mobs play like humans - they all use rez sig, run away from AoE dmg, and bring PvP builds. If there were mobs with touch rangers and boon prot monks, teams would be crying for mesmers the way they cry for monks now.

Let's hope it happens.

Well, let's say they aren't liked in group farming, but they absolutely own in high-level solo farming.

EDIT: With your farming group, the Mesmer can hold off the monk, making the nuker's job that much easier. :P

Pick Me · Jun 19, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by captainccc

Just because more ignorant ppl dont know how to use assassins doesnt mean its more of a challenge. Seriously...you tele, you attack, you move behind the monks

Mesmer are a challenge to anyone that wants to make them Uber

Yep im on your side Avarre

/Edit: I like Rt/N the best for some mixed in hexes ^_~

Obviously you took my words out of context. I never said Assassins were a challenge to play. I said Ritualists have an easy time to get into groups. Assassins were the challenge (referencing getting into groups), even more so than Mesmers.

Eragon Dragonslayer · Jun 20, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

yea not alot of people want sins cuz most of them think their tanks and die really fast

LightningHell · Jun 20, 2006, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Obviously you took my words out of context. I never said Assassins were a challenge to play. I said Ritualists have an easy time to get into groups. Assassins were the challenge (referencing getting into groups), even more so than Mesmers.

I would say, your message wasn't clear enough.

Kitt · Jun 22, 2006, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Fixed.

agreed

it just takes more skill to play sins & mesmers

if played well any toon can be very good,,,,

I don't mind Assassins,, I have played with some good ones and some horrible ones,, but hey we all have to learn at one time or another.

Edit; btw Mesmers can and do put out a lot of damage in the right hands....along with a ton of degen

and to answer the original posters question; gfi delete and remake toons to your hearts desire,,, enjoy!!

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 22, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Wow Avarre you rock and uh just to reiterate what everyone has said sins don't suck if you find someone by themselves you jump to em and kill em also I am sure that a sin can be a tank for a small amount of time if used right (Flashing Blades+Crit Eye+Crit Defenses anyone?) people just still haven't learned to use sins yet. For example my sin has gotten through this game with alot of masters missions and he has beaten it and is working for 15k imps, just recently I did unwaking, lost the first time due to lack of interrupts, second time my group mauled kuuni, now there were like three other tanks but guess who the main damage dealer was? ME the SIN I was degenning Kuuni so bad she couldn't think straight and then to add salt to the wound I was smacking her with serious damage(this was at the end mind you) before that I made sure there absolutely no afflicted monks alive after 15 secs and I soloed the afflicted bosses. Sins are FAR from weak if used correctly.

LightningHell · Jun 22, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

Wow Avarre you rock and uh just to reiterate what everyone has said sins don't suck if you find someone by themselves you jump to em and kill em also I am sure that a sin can be a tank for a small amount of time if used right (Flashing Blades+Crit Eye+Crit Defenses anyone?) people just still haven't learned to use sins yet. For example my sin has gotten through this game with alot of masters missions and he has beaten it and is working for 15k imps, just recently I did unwaking, lost the first time due to lack of interrupts, second time my group mauled kuuni, now there were like three other tanks but guess who the main damage dealer was? ME the SIN I was degenning Kuuni so bad she couldn't think straight and then to add salt to the wound I was smacking her with serious damage(this was at the end mind you) before that I made sure there absolutely no afflicted monks alive after 15 secs and I soloed the afflicted bosses. Sins are FAR from weak if used correctly.

Why do people think Sins should tank?

You have Aura of Displacement, etc. for a reason, y'all know.

And do you know why tanks don't do damage?

They tank, maybe?

And you were stupid enough to get FOUR tanks, yourself included?

Valkyries · Jun 22, 2006, 08:54 AM // 08:54

YES FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

I didn't even read the posts Ill be honest, but I've played both of these classes and I find the Ritualist is a ton better hands down... Assassins still have their uses, but really... a Ritualist can do it all.

Valkyries · Jun 22, 2006, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Why do people think Sins should tank?

You have Aura of Displacement, etc. for a reason, y'all know.

And do you know why tanks don't do damage?

They tank, maybe?

And you were stupid enough to get FOUR tanks, yourself included?

Sorry for double post I just had to say....

THANK YOU!

You see, its not that assassins are horrible is people have no freakin idea how to play them. Its like... "Im an assassin, Im invicible... I can do everything". Then they do in 2 seconds. I remember playing my ritualist and there was an assassin in the same mission. I rezed him at least 10 times in the first 15 mintues.... and he was like "why aren't the Monks healing"

OMG... Why are you so stupid and run right up to the boss and die in 3 hits?? By half way through the mission he was at 60DP and I just gave up on him. Eventually he quit and was sour because the healers weren't doing their jobs

So Ill say it again. READ LIGHTNING HELLS POST CAREFULLY

Pick Me · Jun 22, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by Valkyries

Sorry for double post I just had to say....

THANK YOU!

You see, its not that assassins are horrible is people have no freakin idea how to play them. Its like... "Im an assassin, Im invicible... I can do everything". Then they do in 2 seconds. I remember playing my ritualist and there was an assassin in the same mission. I rezed him at least 10 times in the first 15 mintues.... and he was like "why aren't the Monks healing"

OMG... Why are you so stupid and run right up to the boss and die in 3 hits?? By half way through the mission he was at 60DP and I just gave up on him. Eventually he quit and was sour because the healers weren't doing their jobs

So Ill say it again. READ LIGHTNING HELLS POST CAREFULLY

I had the same experience. 1 Assassin, 1 warrior, 1 necro, 1 ranger, 1 ele, and me (Rit/N). Assassin died in every battle we faced. Eventually the Assassin said he was going to quit the mission. I tried to convince him to stay (we were 90% done). I told him it didn't matter if he dies, as long as I live, he'll be raised. I had to heal the entire party (because no one, except the ranger) had any healing with them.

Sadly, the Assassin did leave and we completed the mission without him.

Assassins are the best learning experience in the game. They are the essence of power and fragility in one. "Can dish it out, but can't take it" type of character. Poisonous serated knives in a rice paper house. Deadly in melee, but disolves into the earth if you get it wet (spill its blood).

DeathShadowX · Jun 24, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

You might find ritualist is not the most "fun profession".

Lvl 20 and beat the game with it, yet i still cant seem to do much with thiss character after that. The spirits are "ok" but not really a thrill.